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oddracing
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Basico Question Jan 14, 2016 12:45:28 GMT -5

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Post by oddracing on Jan 14, 2016 12:45:28 GMT -5

I believe I saw Benji post this question, but I couldn't find the thread or an answer, so I'll ask it. Wheel weights are allowed, but no wheel covers (inside) or any aerodynamic modifications allowed. I maybe have been out for sometime, and correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all wheel weights in some way aerodynamic?

Weight: Maximum 143 grams ( rear wheel weights allowed)

Additional materials maybe added, as long as they meet the rules
Other types of materials may be used to construct your body, and/or frame

No fenders, wheel covers, (inside or outside) or any aerodynamic modifications allowed

MisterB
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Basico Question Jan 14, 2016 13:34:27 GMT -5

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Post by MisterB on Jan 14, 2016 13:34:27 GMT -5

My thinking on no wheel covers would be, no tape or something similar on the NDFW, or no plastic piece that snaps into the NDFW. Rear wheel axle weights and plastic air deflectors mount to the body and do not contact the wheels so I would not consider them as wheel covers. Last season I raced the same car from NPWDRL at APR without any problems. That car has rear wheel weight washers and a clear air deflector on the NDFW.

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Basico Question Jan 14, 2016 14:38:39 GMT -5

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Post by MoJo Racing on Jan 14, 2016 14:38:39 GMT -5

Jan 14, 2016 12:45:28 GMT -5 oddracing said:

I maybe have been out for sometime, and correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all wheel weights in some way aerodynamic?

Plain and simple, yes, they provide an aero affect... but they are allowed in this class.

Rat Pack Racing Association Member Posts: 8	Basico Question Jan 14, 2016 16:24:40 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Rat Pack Racing on Jan 14, 2016 16:24:40 GMT -5 I also had deflectors on my frt. wheels. Yes or no this year?

MoJo Racing Association Member Posts: 298 Mood: Alignment Crazy	Basico Question Jan 14, 2016 22:51:58 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by MoJo Racing on Jan 14, 2016 22:51:58 GMT -5 Jan 14, 2016 16:24:40 GMT -5 Rat Pack Racing said: I also had deflectors on my frt. wheels. Yes or no this year? not on the front

Rat Pack Racing Association Member Posts: 8	Basico Question Jan 15, 2016 5:46:59 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Rat Pack Racing on Jan 15, 2016 5:46:59 GMT -5 Thanks, off they come.

oddracing
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Basico Question Jan 15, 2016 7:02:37 GMT -5

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Post by oddracing on Jan 15, 2016 7:02:37 GMT -5

So here's my concern for this class. Because some wheel weights have become so well designed that they act like wind deflectors because they're aerodynamic, is there a ruling that some would be considered illegal or should the ruling change so that all wheel weights are either illegal/legal, BUT additions to the body of the car that would add aerodynamics to the car all prohibited excluding wheel weights.

Ca$h Racing
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Basico Question Jan 15, 2016 7:09:37 GMT -5 via mobile

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Post by Ca$h Racing on Jan 15, 2016 7:09:37 GMT -5

Nothing allowed on either front wheel in the form of aerodynamics!

Here's a little tidbit of information......over the last few weeks I bring doing a lot of R&D on different wheels, weight combos, oils, aero package, drills, fenders and a host of other things. Found that wheel weights actually slow the car down. Proper weigh placement improves speed!

oddracing
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Basico Question Jan 15, 2016 7:39:15 GMT -5

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Post by oddracing on Jan 15, 2016 7:39:15 GMT -5

Jan 15, 2016 7:09:37 GMT -5 Ca$h Racing said:

Nothing allowed on either front wheel in the form of aerodynamics!

Here's a little tidbit of information......over the last few weeks I bring doing a lot of R&D on different wheels, weight combos, oils, aero package, drills, fenders and a host of other things. Found that wheel weights actually slow the car down. Proper weigh placement improves speed!

Just out of curiosity, because I've seen the opposite, what wheel weights did you use for your testing? There are some, I would agree with, but others, no.

Ca$h Racing Association Member Posts: 984	Basico Question Jan 15, 2016 8:30:01 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Ca$h Racing on Jan 15, 2016 8:30:01 GMT -5 The brass one's were used for testing. With your results, was it with fenders or any other aerodynamic added to the body? My test was body and wheels only....no other aerodynamic was on the car.
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oddracing
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Basico Question Jan 15, 2016 8:39:33 GMT -5

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Post by oddracing on Jan 15, 2016 8:39:33 GMT -5

Jan 15, 2016 8:30:01 GMT -5 Ca$h Racing said:

The brass one's were used for testing. With your results, was it with fenders or any other aerodynamic added to the body?
My test was body and wheels only....no other aerodynamic was on the car.

I've tested with fenders and without. I know the wheel weights you're using and have some. I've tested with those and with others. I've seen more speed gains with others.

Crash Enburn
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Basico Question Jan 15, 2016 13:27:29 GMT -5

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Post by Crash Enburn on Jan 15, 2016 13:27:29 GMT -5

What is to stop someone from claiming that they are experimenting with front wheel weights as an explanation for "weights" made of balsa? "I'm just not very good at this weight thing."

Personally, I don't think that anything aside from the wheels and axles should be allowed outside the confines of the 1-3/4" of car body.

Then again, 1-3/4" max body width could be argued against, too. My last scout cars were all 1-7/8" wide at the rears. (Popsicle sticks added to the sides to cover the poured lead; secondary benefit of moving the rears away from the rail, minimizing contact).

Basico Question

Post by oddracing on Jan 14, 2016 12:45:28 GMT -5

Post by MisterB on Jan 14, 2016 13:34:27 GMT -5

Post by MoJo Racing on Jan 14, 2016 14:38:39 GMT -5

Post by Rat Pack Racing on Jan 14, 2016 16:24:40 GMT -5

Post by MoJo Racing on Jan 14, 2016 22:51:58 GMT -5

Post by Rat Pack Racing on Jan 15, 2016 5:46:59 GMT -5

Post by oddracing on Jan 15, 2016 7:02:37 GMT -5

Post by Ca$h Racing on Jan 15, 2016 7:09:37 GMT -5

Post by oddracing on Jan 15, 2016 7:39:15 GMT -5

Post by Ca$h Racing on Jan 15, 2016 8:30:01 GMT -5

Post by oddracing on Jan 15, 2016 8:39:33 GMT -5

Post by Crash Enburn on Jan 15, 2016 13:27:29 GMT -5

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